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1. Context.The concept of "nominal" start date in lagged start ensembles

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Due to a number of reasons, members from ensembles using the "lagged start" approach are bundled together at C3S and labelled with a "nominal" start date (see details here).

The C3S seasonal forecast datasets are based on GRIB files stored at ECMWF MARS archive where that "nominal" start date is used to index the monthly data (monthly statistics and monthly post-processed products like anomalies). Hence, the details about the original initialization date could get lost in those files. Nonetheless, the data at daily and sub-daily time frequencies is always encoded with the real initialization date, as it can be seen in the example below:

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Code Block
languagebash
themeRDark
titleGRIB file contents
> grib_ls -p origin,type,shortName,number,indexingDate,indexingTime,dataDate,dataTime,indexingDate,indexingTime,step,fcmonth,verifyingMonth c3s_seas_ukmo199312_t2m.grib
c3s_seas_ukmo199312_t2m.grib
origin          type            shortName       number          dataDateindexingDate    indexingTime    dataTimedataDate        indexingDatedataTime    indexingTime    step            fcmonth         verifyingMonth  
egrr            fcmean          2t              0               19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       744             1               199312         
egrr            fcmean          2t              1               19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       744             1               199312         
egrr            fcmean          2t              2               19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       744             1               199312         
egrr            fcmean          2t              3               19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       744             1               199312         
egrr            fcmean          2t              4               19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       744             1               199312         
egrr            fcmean          2t              5               19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       744             1               199312         
egrr            fcmean          2t              6               not_found 19931201      not_found  0     19931201        0  not_found       not_found       744             1               199312         
egrr            fcmean          2t              7               19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       744             1               199312         
egrr            fcmean          2t              8               19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       744             1               199312         
egrr            fcmean          2t              9               19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       744             1               199312         
egrr            fcmean          2t              10              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       744             1               199312         
egrr            fcmean          2t              11              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       744             1               199312         
egrr            fcmean          2t              12              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       744             1               199312         
egrr            fcmean          2t              13              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       744             1               199312         
egrr            fcmean          2t              14              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       744             1               199312         
egrr            fcmean          2t              15              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       744             1               199312         
egrr            fcmean          2t              16              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       744             1               199312         
egrr            fcmean          2t              17              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       744             1               199312         
egrr            fcmean          2t              18              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       744             1               199312         
egrr            fcmean          2t              19              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       744             1               199312         
egrr            fcmean          2t              20              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       744             1               199312         
egrr            fcmean          2t              21              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       744             1               199312         
egrr            fcmean          2t              22              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       744             1               199312         
egrr            fcmean          2t              23              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       744             1               199312         
egrr            fcmean          2t              24              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       744             1               199312         
egrr            fcmean          2t              25              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       744             1               199312         
egrr            fcmean          2t              26              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       744             1               199312         
egrr            fcmean          2t              27              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       744             1               199312         
egrr            fcmean          2t              0               19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       1488            2               199401         
egrr            fcmean          2t              1               19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       1488            2               199401         
egrr            fcmean          2t              2               19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       1488            2               199401         
egrr            fcmean          2t              3               19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       1488            2               199401         
egrr            fcmean          2t              4               19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       1488            2               199401         
egrr            fcmean          2t              5               19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       1488            2               199401         
egrr            fcmean          2t              6               19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       1488            2               199401         
egrr            fcmean          2t              7               19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       1488            2               199401         
egrr            fcmean          2t              8               19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       1488            2               199401         
egrr            fcmean          2t              9               19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       1488            2               199401         
egrr            fcmean          2t              10              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       1488            2               199401         
egrr            fcmean          2t              11              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       1488            2               199401         
egrr            fcmean          2t              12              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       1488            2               199401         
egrr            fcmean          2t              13              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       1488            2               199401         
egrr            fcmean          2t              14              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       1488            2               199401         
egrr            fcmean          2t              15              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       1488            2               199401         
egrr            fcmean          2t              16              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       1488            2               199401         
egrr            fcmean          2t              17              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       1488            2               199401         
egrr            fcmean          2t              18              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       1488            2               199401         
egrr            fcmean          2t              19              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       1488            2               199401         
egrr            fcmean          2t              20              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       1488            2               199401         
egrr            fcmean          2t              21              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       1488            2               199401         
egrr            fcmean          2t              22              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       1488            2               199401         
egrr            fcmean          2t              23              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       1488            2               199401         
egrr            fcmean          2t              24              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       1488            2               199401         
egrr            fcmean          2t              25              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       1488            2               199401         
egrr            fcmean          2t              26              19931201not_found       not_found 0      19931201        0 not_found       not_found       1488            2               199401         
egrr          

Example 2: NCEP hindcast data for December 1993 (localDefinitionNumber=12)

Code Block
languagepy
titleCDS API script
import cdsapi

c = cdsapi.Client()

c.retrieve(
fcmean     'seasonal-monthly-single-levels',
    {
 2t       'format': 'grib',
      27  'originating_centre': 'ncep',
        'system': '2',
  not_found      'variable': '2m_temperature',
 not_found       19931201   'product_type': 'monthly_mean',
     0   'year': '1993',
        'month': '12',
  1488      'leadtime_month': [ '1', '2', ],
  2  },
    'c3s_seas_ukmo199312_t2m.grib')

Code Block
languagebash
titleGRIB file contents
> grib_ls -p origin,type,shortName,number,dataDate,dataTime,indexingDate,indexingTime,step,fcmonth,verifyingMonth c3s_seas_ncep199312_t2m.grib
c3s_seas_ncep199312_t2m.grib
origin     199401     type    


Example 2: NCEP hindcast data for December 1993 (localDefinitionNumber=12)

Code Block
languagepy
themeRDark
titleCDS API script
import cdsapi

c = cdsapi.Client()

c.retrieve(
     shortName'seasonal-monthly-single-levels',
    {
    number    'format': 'grib',
     dataDate   'originating_centre': 'ncep',
    dataTime      'system': '2',
  indexingDate    indexingTime  'variable': '2m_temperature',
 step       'product_type': 'monthly_mean',
    fcmonth    'year': '1993',
    verifyingMonth  
kwbc  'month': '12',
         fcmean   'leadtime_month': [ '1', '2', ],
    },
    'c3s_seas_ukmo199312_t2m.grib')


Code Block
languagebash
themeRDark
titleGRIB file contents
> grib_ls -p origin,type,shortName,number,indexingDate,indexingTime,dataDate,dataTime,step,fcmonth,verifyingMonth c3s_seas_ncep199312_t2m.grib
c3s_seas_ncep199312_t2m.grib
origin2t              0 type            shortName  19931127     number   0       indexingDate    indexingTime    19931201dataDate        0dataTime         step      840      fcmonth       1               199312       verifyingMonth  
kwbc            fcmean          2t              10               1993112719931201        60               1993120119931127        0               840             1               199312         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              1 2              19931201 19931127       0 12              1993120119931127        06               840             1               199312         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              32               1993112719931201        180              19931201 19931127       0 12              840             1               199312         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              43               1993112219931201        0               1993120119931127        018               960840             1               199312         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              54               1993112219931201        60               1993120119931122        0               960             1               199312         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              5 6              19931201 19931122       0 12              1993120119931122        06               960             1               199312         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              76               1993112219931201        180              19931201 19931122       0 12              960             1               199312         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              87               1993111719931201        0               1993120119931122        018              960 1080            1               199312         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              98               1993111719931201        60               1993120119931117        0               1080            1               199312         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              9  10             19931201 19931117       0 12              1993120119931117        06               1080            1               199312         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              1110              1993111719931201        180              19931201 19931117       0 12              1080            1               199312         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              1211              1993111219931201        0               1993120119931117        018               12001080            1               199312         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              1312              1993111219931201        60               1993120119931112        0               1200            1               199312         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              13 14             19931201 19931112       0 12              1993120119931112        06               1200            1               199312         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              1514              1993111219931201        180              19931201 19931112       0 12              1200            1               199312         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              1615              1993110719931201        0               1993120119931112        018               13201200            1               199312         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              1716              1993110719931201        60               1993120119931107        0               1320            1               199312         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              17 18             19931201 19931107       0 12              1993120119931107        06               1320            1               199312         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              1918              1993110719931201        180              19931201 19931107       0 12              1320            1               199312         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              2019              1993110219931201        0               1993120119931107        018               14401320            1               199312         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              2120              1993110219931201        60               1993120119931102        0               1440            1               199312         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              21 22             19931201 19931102       0 12              1993120119931102        06               1440            1               199312         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              2322              1993110219931201        180              19931201 19931102       0 12              1440            1               199312         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              023               1993112719931201        0               1993120119931102        018              1440 1584           1 2               199401199312         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              10               1993112719931201        60               1993120119931127        0               1584            2               199401         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              1 2              19931201 19931127       0 12              1993120119931127        06               1584            2               199401         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              32               1993112719931201        180              19931201 19931127       0 12              1584            2               199401         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              43               1993112219931201        0               1993120119931127        018               17041584            2               199401         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              54               1993112219931201        60               1993120119931122        0               1704            2               199401         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              5 6              19931201 19931122       0 12              1993120119931122        06               1704            2               199401         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              76               1993112219931201        180              19931201 19931122       0 12              1704            2               199401         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              87               1993111719931201        0               1993120119931122        018               18241704            2               199401         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              98               1993111719931201        60               1993120119931117        0               1824            2               199401         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              9  10             19931201 19931117       0 12              1993120119931117        06               1824            2               199401         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              1110              1993111719931201        180              19931201 19931117       0 12              1824            2               199401         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              1211              1993111219931201        0               1993120119931117        018               19441824            2               199401         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              1312              1993111219931201        60               1993120119931112        0               1944            2               199401         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              13 14             19931201 19931112       0 12              1993120119931112        06               1944            2               199401         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              1514              1993111219931201        180              19931201 19931112       0 12              1944            2               199401         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              1615              1993110719931201        0               1993120119931112        018               20641944            2               199401         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              1716              1993110719931201        60               1993120119931107        0               2064            2               199401         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              17 18             19931201 19931107       0 12              1993120119931107        06               2064            2               199401         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              1918              1993110719931201        180              19931201 19931107       0 12              2064            2               199401         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              2019              1993110219931201        0               1993120119931107        018               21842064            2               199401         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              2120              1993110219931201        60               1993120119931102        0               2184            2               199401         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              21 22             19931201 19931102       0 12              1993120119931102        06               2184            2               199401         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              2322              1993110219931201        180              19931201 19931102       0 12              2184            2               199401         
kwbc            fcmean          2t              23              19931201        0               19931102        18              2184            2               199401         


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